FRFR needed for UAFX pedals

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woodstovestudios

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As I'm considering a fishman performer for solo gigs its ability to be the "FRFR" for my UAFX amp pedals would be a big plus. I read a statement from Fishman elsewhere in this forum saying the speakers would have shorter life with distortion, and be damaged quickly if clipped. I wonder if that's a "insurance" statement or really accurate. I'd want the dirt from my Woodrow and Ruby for sure.
 
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clau_77

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I am quite sure You won’t damage your loudbox if you connect your UAFX to aux in as I do because you are using it as a speaker.

of course if you try to push the amp from the input in order to get distortion by volume and gain you’ll damage as it is meant to play clean as amp.

I have been using it as speaker with my band and it is in great condition
 
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woodstovestudios

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Thanks, good to hear your experience. That statement from fishman did say that the speakers themselves were "not designed for the frequencies associated with distortion" and could suffer. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me!
 
MakerDP

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Well you need to play it safe when clipping with any speakers really, especially the tweeters. Use common sense and I'm sure you'll be fine.
 
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clau_77

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Actually I want to add to the thread that last day I was messing with my Lion and I was connected to the input of the Loudbox but at very low volume and a lot of distortion from the Lion. It sounded amazing and I was even using the reverb from the Loudbox. I want to experiment more on this path because I think that if I keep the signal low and use the disortion of the Lion I will not damage the Loudbox and I can acquire reverb and EQ from the amp itself
 
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woodstovestudios

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MakerDP said:
Well you need to play it safe when clipping with any speakers really, especially the tweeters. Use common sense and I'm sure you'll be fine.
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Begs a question. The loud box performer has a tweeter, the artist does not. Might it make sense to avoid having a tweeter if I’m going to be doing a lot of electric guitar stuff?
 
klasaine

klasaine

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woodstovestudios said:
Begs a question. The loud box performer has a tweeter, the artist does not. Might it make sense to avoid having a tweeter if I’m going to be doing a lot of electric guitar stuff?
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Even with acoustic instruments, I always disable the tweeter in any and all acoustic amps. They’re uniformly awful and unnecessary.
 
MakerDP

MakerDP

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klasaine said:
Even with acoustic instruments, I always disable the tweeter in any and all acoustic amps. They’re uniformly awful and unnecessary.
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I dial-in a little bit of the cut control on my Fender FR-12 but I don't think I'll go to that extreme. If anything, I think it pumps out a bit too much on the bottom end. I am REALLY liking this thing.

I do tend to gravitate towards a brighter tone than most people though.
 
Eric Dahlberg

Eric Dahlberg

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woodstovestudios said:
As I'm considering a fishman performer for solo gigs its ability to be the "FRFR" for my UAFX amp pedals would be a big plus. I read a statement from Fishman elsewhere in this forum saying the speakers would have shorter life with distortion, and be damaged quickly if clipped. I wonder if that's a "insurance" statement or really accurate. I'd want the dirt from my Woodrow and Ruby for sure.
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They're talking about the power section. If a solid state power amp sends a square wave (clipped) signal to the speaker, it will tear it up. But as long as the power section is not clipping, it can reproduce any signal you give it and will not damage the speaker.
 
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clau_77

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Eric Dahlberg said:
They're talking about the power section. If a solid state power amp sends a square wave (clipped) signal to the speaker, it will tear it up. But as long as the power section is not clipping, it can reproduce any signal you give it and will not damage the speaker.
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So If I want to run my Lion 68 full distortion in the input and not the aux in all I have to care is the signal not clipping and being kind of controlled?
 
Eric Dahlberg

Eric Dahlberg

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clau_77 said:
So If I want to run my Lion 68 full distortion in the input and not the aux in all I have to care is the signal not clipping and being kind of controlled?
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Yes. It's the rule for any solid state power, from car stereos to amphitheaters. Tube power is different because the signal rounds off as it clips.
 
Eric Dahlberg

Eric Dahlberg

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I've switched to using a Pignose B100V. It's basically a cross between an Ampeg V-4B, an Ampeg B15n, and a Fender Tweed Bassman, plus adds a power amp input. It's not an FRFR (no tweeter) but it has a 15" speaker that sounds good with cabinet modeling.
 
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