Ox Box in separate Mono tracks?

[CarlosT]

Hello everyone,
First post here after a long time just lurking. But this time I really couldn't find a definitive answer to this: can we record Mono tracks out of the OX separately into the DAW (Logic Pro, in my case)? I don't have the Ox, but thinking about getting one. Hence, the question...
My plan, for example, is to always have 3 tracks (say, SM57, Ribbon and Room mic). So I'd hard pan the SM57 close mic to the L, hard pan the other close mic to the R, and have them recorded in the DAW just like I would with 2 real mics using separate inputs (with the Room mics muted).
So the routing would be like: Line Out 3 out of the Apollo and into a mono track in the DAW, and Line Out 4 into another. I wonder if it would come out like I imagine (if Line Outs 3 & 4 would behave like L & R).
Then I would do one round of reamping the DI signal back into the OX, disabling all close mics and leaving the Room mics on (and this time around I wouldn't mind leaving it stereo).

Is that possible at all?
I've read the Ox manual, searched everywhere on forums, youtube, etc. And most people are ok with recording the stereo mix out of the Ox, which is fair enough. But I would really like to keep the flexibility of 3 guitar tracks, like I did when recording real cabs.

PS: I've read one post here saying it's possible to do the hard pan thing and record a stereo track with total separation, but then I'd have to use a plug-in to separate the L and R sides... but what I really was hoping for is to separate Line Outs 3-4 as L and R.

Many thanks!

 

[UniversalAudio]

Hello everyone,
First post here after a long time just lurking. But this time I really couldn't find a definitive answer to this: can we record Mono tracks out of the OX separately into the DAW (Logic Pro, in my case)? I don't have the Ox, but thinking about getting one. Hence, the question...
My plan, for example, is to always have 3 tracks (say, SM57, Ribbon and Room mic). So I'd hard pan the SM57 close mic to the L, hard pan the other close mic to the R, and have them recorded in the DAW just like I would with 2 real mics using separate inputs (with the Room mics muted).
So the routing would be like: Line Out 3 out of the Apollo and into a mono track in the DAW, and Line Out 4 into another. I wonder if it would come out like I imagine (if Line Outs 3 & 4 would behave like L & R).
Then I would do one round of reamping the DI signal back into the OX, disabling all close mics and leaving the Room mics on (and this time around I wouldn't mind leaving it stereo).

Is that possible at all?
I've read the Ox manual, searched everywhere on forums, youtube, etc. And most people are ok with recording the stereo mix out of the Ox, which is fair enough. But I would really like to keep the flexibility of 3 guitar tracks, like I did when recording real cabs.

PS: I've read one post here saying it's possible to do the hard pan thing and record a stereo track with total separation, but then I'd have to use a plug-in to separate the L and R sides... but what I really was hoping for is to separate Line Outs 3-4 as L and R.

Many thanks!

sure, pan the mics left and the room right. or each mic L and R.

There is no way to get the stereo room out separately from the mics though.

 

[archverb]

... There is no way to get the stereo room out separately from the mics though.

Of course... unless you use reamping

 

[UniversalAudio]

Of course... unless you use reamping

yup, thankfully we have so many options these days!

 

[CarlosT]

Thanks for your replies.
Yes, I meant to do some reamping indeed (to obtain the room mics only, provided I could mute the other 2).

Sounds exciting and fresh to me, even though the Ox has been around for 6 years! It's about time I got into this and got more use out of my very loud amps...

I guess I'm left with just 2 other questions, which are related to how Ox would work in tandem with an Apollo Twin X:

1) The Twin obviously gives me only 2 channels but... if I were to use the S/PDIF connection from the OX to the Apollo, would it count as another input apart from Channels 1-2? I'd love it if I could "cheat" my way into having input 1 free for clean DI recording while I reamp in realtime using a Line Out send (I won't expand too much on that here not to bore you).

2) About the 44.1 k sample rate cap the Ox has: as it goes into the Apollo, I've read it's possible to engage SRC to sync it to 48 k... I've seen it done to the S/PDIF input, but if I were to use the Analog line level ins, would the Apollo perform the SRC to them as well? Or is it a feature exclusive to the S/PDIF ins?

Thanks for your patience and time!

 

[Matt Hepworth]

Thanks for your replies.
Yes, I meant to do some reamping indeed (to obtain the room mics only, provided I could mute the other 2).

Sounds exciting and fresh to me, even though the Ox has been around for 6 years! It's about time I got into this and got more use out of my very loud amps...

I guess I'm left with just 2 other questions, which are related to how Ox would work in tandem with an Apollo Twin X:

1) The Twin obviously gives me only 2 channels but... if I were to use the S/PDIF connection from the OX to the Apollo, would it count as another input apart from Channels 1-2? I'd love it if I could "cheat" my way into having input 1 free for clean DI recording while I reamp in realtime using a Line Out send (I won't expand too much on that here not to bore you).

2) About the 44.1 k sample rate cap the Ox has: as it goes into the Apollo, I've read it's possible to engage SRC to sync it to 48 k... I've seen it done to the S/PDIF input, but if I were to use the Analog line level ins, would the Apollo perform the SRC to them as well? Or is it a feature exclusive to the S/PDIF ins?

Thanks for your patience and time!

If you use analog SRC will not be part of the equation.

 

[CarlosT]

If you use analog SRC will not be part of the equation.

I expected as much. However I'm intrigued by one video on UA's official YouTube channel:

On minute 8:30 for example you can see Ben running a session that's 48k (clock = internal) and the guitarist is plugged into an input that's not the S/PDIF (you can clearly see there's no levels on the S/PDIF channel, as it comes up only on another channel which they renamed "Ox Line in".

Also, in the beginning of the video Ben shows he's going out of the Ox with 2 line level cables into the X4 analog inputs. And yet he's recording into the DAW seemingly at 48k. That's confusing...

 

[Nyoak34]

I expected as much. However I'm intrigued by one video on UA's official YouTube channel:

On minute 8:30 for example you can see Ben running a session that's 48k (clock = internal) and the guitarist is plugged into an input that's not the S/PDIF (you can clearly see there's no levels on the S/PDIF channel, as it comes up only on another channel which they renamed "Ox Line in".

Also, in the beginning of the video Ben shows he's going out of the Ox with 2 line level cables into the X4 analog inputs. And yet he's recording into the DAW seemingly at 48k. That's confusing...

What Matt is saying above is - if you're coming in via analog, you're not using a digital input so the SRC is meaningless. There is no sample rate to convert if the signal is analog - it's the same as recording any other line level signal. It's only on the digital output of the Ox that you'd need to convert on the inputs.

 

[CarlosT]

What Matt is saying above is - if you're coming in via analog, you're not using a digital input so the SRC is meaningless. There is no sample rate to convert if the signal is analog - it's the same as recording any other line level signal. It's only on the digital output of the Ox that you'd need to convert on the inputs.

I see. What I feared is: the Ox outputting 44.1k after its processing, no matter which connection – even analogue.

Sorry about my ignorance, but to recap: if I use the analog outs from the Ox and into the Analog ins from the Apollo, I wouldn't have to worry about sample rate? It would be whatever sample rate I have set in the UA Console then and the recordings inside the DAW would be 48k?

If so, then that's great news for me.
I'd just have to rethink my reamping workflow, as I'd prefer the option that preserves original 48k with no conversions.

Thanks again for your patience!

 

[Gyom]

sure, pan the mics left and the room right. or each mic L and R.

There is no way to get the stereo room out separately from the mics though.

This is the biggest oversight from UA. 2 stereo outs configurable in whichever way would have been the better option. Any possible future firmware upgrade allowing this? Digital outs separated from analog outs for example?

 

[UniversalAudio]

This is the biggest oversight from UA. 2 stereo outs configurable in whichever way would have been the better option. Any possible future firmware upgrade allowing this? Digital outs separated from analog outs for example?

Anything's possible but there is no news to share at this time.